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Post by admin on Nov 7, 2007 13:24:44 GMT -5
Dear Members,
I would like to try and resurrect the Flying Tigers SA/IMAC Contest as we now have about 5 people interested in the event from the club.
It is only one Saturday out of the summer that the student pilots have to give up. Maybe 10 or 15 years ago that would have been a big deal but these days the flying season is close to 6 months long or around 186 days of which 24 of those are Saturday so surely 23 days will not make the difference in the grand scheme of things.
The only burden we put on the club is the use of the field. We do not ask for any other help other then maybe one or two people that could run some scores back and forth. The food concession makes money for the club and the whole contest has NEVER been a financial burden on the club. Trophies are paid for by the entrance fees.
I think our club having this contest really puts in the spotlight in a positive way. You would not believe all the comments I got last year when we cancelled. People were really disappointed. We have a nice field, a great bunch of people and everyone has always enjoyed themselves here.
If the club agrees to hold the contest I will be the CD and Gary Maker has already offered to be the Co-CD so we have everything covered.
Unfortunately we have lost our date of the second week of July to the Otterville Club who picked the contest up last year so there would be a full contest schedule.
So now we have to look at the following dates..
June 14/15 or 21,/22 - (This depends if Stone Creek has contest May 31/June 1 or June 7/8 July 19/20 - If Otterville has theirs on July 5/6 August 16/17 - Depends if Club 400 uses this date or not Oct 4/5 - It's a chance but weather may be good but it is after the NCRFs are over so points won't count.
I would like to get feedback from as many members as possible.
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rcav8tor
Basic Pilot
Brian Graham
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Post by rcav8tor on Nov 8, 2007 8:29:09 GMT -5
I was sorry to hear that the contest last year was cancelled....... But I do understand what happen. To go on this year is an undertaking that I commend you on Jim..... I hope you can find the support you deserve. It won't be me..........as I am not active anymore.
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Post by terry on Nov 8, 2007 10:03:31 GMT -5
You seem to put the cancellation of the event squarely on the shoulders of student instruction . If I may clarify so that everyone understands it was due to lack of club interest other than one club member .
I don't think we should belittle someones attempt to get there wings . You must have forgotten what its like to try to get your wings . From the students point of view I think everyday lost due to weather or events is disappointing . Correct me if I'm wrong but does imac not take two days so that instruction could not function on Sunday either . Also the Helli event takes another weekend as well as Soma in case anyone has forgot .
On the other hand I am amazed how we went from no Club Pilots to five interested in competing , thats great . If that is the case the club should reconsider .
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Post by robweiss on Nov 8, 2007 16:34:34 GMT -5
In the past year we have heard alot of doom and gloom about members not wanting to volunteer to run events so the events should be canceled. I know that Jim is very passionate about flying IMAC and he is willing to do the work to run the event. I think that we should support him in his effort to run this one. Some of the details such as dates can be worked out during the next club meeting (if we have a place to meet that is).
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Post by admin on Nov 8, 2007 17:09:05 GMT -5
Terry,
The club used to host it's own two day fun-fly or it may have been one day I can not recall because we have not done it in a while.
The Helli fun-fly is always on a Sunday and yes I know it only takes one day but that is all they want.
We used to do combat as well and I am sure that was a two day event was it not.
We ran 4 consecutive years of Scale Aerobatics Contests with only 2 or three members actively participating and it didn't seem to bother anyone.
Last year had the contest gone off I would have been the only member competing with Brian Facey as the CD and again that seemed to be fine with everyone.
When Brian canceled it because I was not going to be able to help Co-CD and I tried to move it to another date correct me if I am wrong but you stood up and argued against having the contest at all since it took a day away from student pilots then there was mention of the fact that I was the only one left in the club who competed, I can't remember who brought that up, and the strong suggestion was made to just forget about SA/IMAC event at our club and I am not sure there was mcuh aggreement from those present but the change of dates was kiboshed anyways by the Executive.
I am just asking the membership to reconsider this decision seeing as now we have more people interested and willing to give it a try. I don't want to name names as I do not know if those people want to be singled out but there are at least 4 and possible 5 to 6.
You say I am belittling the people who want to learn to fly but you are belittling our want to learn to fly better. Where is it anywhere in our charter that says that our club exists for the sole purpose of training pilots, many of whom disappear after they get their wings.
All I am asking for is one Saturday from the students. Why do you bring up Sunday, we have never trained on Sundays. The rest of the club seems to be fine with giving SA/IMAC a weekend, or they did until last year.
As for SOMA what does that have to do with Training at our field?
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Post by Richard.K on Nov 8, 2007 20:00:28 GMT -5
I think we should do both and have some fun doing it CHEERS ;D ;D ;D ;D RICHARD.K
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Post by robweiss on Nov 8, 2007 20:05:01 GMT -5
How about having any students come out and help on the Saturday of the event. They can help with the radio impound, cooking, score keeping etc, or even watch the high caliber flying. It's all a learning experience for them and they can be a productive member by participating in the event as well. May be make it mandatory (or at least strongly suggested) that they participate in some of these events and get to know what the club has to offer them other than just flying lessons.
Just my two cents worth.
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jbajkor
Intermediate Pilot
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Post by jbajkor on Nov 8, 2007 21:40:35 GMT -5
I hope IMAC comes back to the Tigers Field. I will come out to help if it does. I don't think I would compete this year, but maybe in the future. Every member should come out, even if just as a spectator. It is a free, great airshow! While there, you could have some of Darleen's famous cooking.
IMHO...I think this event should never have been cancelled.
Joe
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Post by terry on Nov 9, 2007 2:49:21 GMT -5
Well Jim . If you had read my last line I'm sure it said " THATS GREAT . IF THAT IS THE CASE THE CLUB SHOULD RECONSIDER "( kinda looks like I would support it ) But if you insist ,... I'm sure you are not at the same field as where you attained your wings . And when did I bring up "instructing and our charter" in which actually says not much about anything .
The clubs fun fly was one day , that was back in the day when someone stepped up to be an instructor they seemed to follow through with it . Combat was one day and had half a dozen members compete The Helli event was on a Sat last year , Sunday rain day.
Please get off the instruction horse as I said nothing of the kind .
The meeting was at the field when imac was canceled (we were all standing) and everyone there was asked if they would be participating and no one had any interest . The exec ( which you are on ) then canceled the event based on the members response . As with the Auction why would a club have an event if no one participates from that club, You agreed on that basis . If memory serves me your other date was before or after the Helli event closing the field two weekends in a row , something the exec ( which you are on ) had thought was not fair to the membership at any other time . As far as no one being bothered by Imac taking up two days for one person ,... seemed is the key word .
No we don't train on Sunday , if you read carefully I said it could not function on Sunday either because Imac takes both days ( a makeup day ) in other words.
As for Soma , instructors ( including me) would rather be there so it does take away two more days from training . By the way last year I did both on that weekend this year I was in the Stearmen.
The Students or instructors didn't cancel last years Imac , making it mandatory for them to help at Imac is more like some kind of punishment . Maybe it should be mandatory for every member to volunteer some time to the clubs activities and we wouldn't.t have these problems
I reread my post several times , please point out to me where I belittle an Imac's pilots wanting to fly better . Oh and by the way ONE more day would have made the difference in one student getting his wings this year , there are two other instructors who will attest to that ! One cannot do Imac without there Wings either !
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Post by nicknitro on Nov 9, 2007 12:05:36 GMT -5
I would like to clear some misunderstanding with respect to the Club events, ALL CLUB EVENTS!!!!!!
The President, nor the executive, nor the students start or cancel any event.
The club membership decides, either by supporting the event or what seems to be the case, canceling the event due to extreme apathy.
As president I simply act on the membership's behalf, and I am getting tired of being accused of canceling, squashing, being a dictator or being heavy handed with the club events.
Lets set the record straight.
Great Rubber Race November 2006 - Open to entire Membership I was the ONLY member in Burlington!!! We are still scheduled to go November 22, 2007, but if I don't see at least 6 people. What's the point. Who is canceling the event, NOT ME!!!!
Swap Meet 2006 - Open to Entire Membership Club attendance to OUR SWAP meet was 5 members. I almost single handedly organized, set up and ran the event in 2006. I thank the few who helped me!!! We did not have enough members to run the event and as a result, we lost out on revenue and much more. I watched a bunch of strangers and all my efforts were not for the Flying Tigers.
I set the expectation with the club membership that if no one was interested to organize and attend, then we would not have the event in 2007. I mentioned it many many, many times. NO one stepped up, therefore the event did not happen. Who canceled the Swap meet!!!!!! NOT ME!!!
Combat Events- Open to Combat only Again, canceled due to lack of interest within the club and hobby.
Heli Event - Open to Heli ONLY Continues, not because of Executive, but because of active heli members.
SOMA- Open to Entire membership Continues, because I have lead our clubs participation in this event, again I am looking for volunteers, not simply to help the day of the event, but to play an active role in the organization and planning of the event before the fact. I will continue to run with this in 2008, however, 2009 I will let someone else run with this event. If no one steps up, who again will be canceling our event.
IMAC- Open to IMAC only Canceled not because of students, nor executive, We were all there when the event was canceled and I will not accept anyone blaming the students, Terry or the the Executive.
Blame is squarely on the membership's lack of interest in IMAC.
I applaud Jim's passion for IMAC and for his contributions to the club. I count him in on a very small and exclusive group of members who actually cares and contributes to the club.
In the beginning IMAC had support by many more members, Ron, Brian, Rod, Jim, Brian F, Gary, a few others. Over the years, interest has dropped, and last year with Brian F dropping his support, this left only Jim and the event simply ran out of steam.
There was also a date issue. The executive and the membership have agreed in the past that we would NOT close the field 2 weekends in a row for any event!!!!! And I will continue to support this in 2008.
If membership interest is back, then I fully support IMAC in 2008, however get your dates in early, and stick to them. The club will again maintain at least two weeks apart for events that close the field down to general membership.
I would like to see more events at our field and I am not looking for events to have 10, 20 or 30 members participate to be acceptable, but let us be reasonable, we should have a least a few members from our club participating if we are going to shut down our field for one day, let alone for an entire weekend
Let's also be reasonable, there are NOT 24 real Saturdays in our flying season. If this is the case, then how about IMAC being scheduled on the first Saturday. I am sure there won't be any conflicts. The success of our club is on the way we all work together, not just the events, but with all aspects of the running the club.
Let's have a better 2008. Nick President - Flying Tigers
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Post by robweiss on Nov 9, 2007 17:33:46 GMT -5
The Students or instructors didn't cancel last years Imac , making it mandatory for them to help at Imac is more like some kind of punishment . Maybe it should be mandatory for every member to volunteer some time to the clubs activities and we wouldn't.t have these problems 1)I agree that the students or instructors didn't cancel the event. 2) mandatory may be too strong a word that is also why I also said "strongly recommend" 3) I don't see it as punishment I see it as participating in a club activity. This goes for all the members not just the students and for all activities not just IMAC. If you see it as punishment then so will everyone else then this will propagate the fact that no one wants to participate. 4) My point about the students helping (and this includes any event that would take place on a Saturday) was that if they were going to go to the field that day for lessons anyway then they would probably be available to help out and they would see that there is more to the club than learning to fly. 5) maybe you are right that it should be mandatory for all members to participate but the fact is it isn't. So how as a club do we get people to want to volunteer? There is not an easy answer . 6) Most importantly I thing we should be spending all this energy in to improving the club for next year and not worrying about what happened or didn't happen last year.
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jbajkor
Intermediate Pilot
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Post by jbajkor on Nov 9, 2007 21:56:50 GMT -5
Rob, To your point #6: Right, we should not argue about what happend, but we can learn from history. Examining what happend last year is constructive if we use the knowledge to make it better next year. Joe
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Post by chrisp on Nov 9, 2007 23:01:01 GMT -5
ok guys instaed of this bickering between the FEW people who actually CARE or HELP out in this club. I think we need to put this constructive (criticism) togeather and try to find a way to get the OTHER MEMBERS in this club to participate AS A CLUB. But until that happens we need to put this behind us and MOVE ON TO 2008
and lets try to get the rest of the members to care about this club as much as we do!
Lets face it were all in this togeather.
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Post by jackmarc on Nov 10, 2007 20:29:20 GMT -5
Amen.
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jbajkor
Intermediate Pilot
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Post by jbajkor on Nov 11, 2007 0:01:55 GMT -5
Hey, I got an Idea!!! How about this: Anytime someone helps out or does something for the club, they get an extra ticket for the draw at the club meetings. All the names of volunteers could go into a bucket for a big, once a year draw for a big prize; an engine, plane kit, something like that. Someone cutting grass and doing stuff at the field all the time could have his name in the bucket a dozen times before it is drawn. The draw would be at the AGM...also helping attendance for the most important meeting. Joe
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